By Dr. Rod Berger
I'm Dr. Rod Berger. On Help Me Understand, you bring the question to The People's Hotline, and I go find where we've seen it before.
Before the story, a question for you. Next week I'll share how HMU readers answered.
In August, a listener called The People's Hotline about the day he voted. He'd been a Republican for a long time.
“And then I could not vote for Donald Trump. … I went into the voting booth. And I pulled the lever, for the Democrat. And I was told that it would be a sin to vote Democrat, so I went out to my car, and I prayed, and I asked Jesus to forgive me.”
A caller to The People's Hotline, troubled, on faith and the vote
Nobody was watching. He held his own vote to the standard of his faith, alone, in a parked car.
Most of us run that kind of standard every day without naming it. We run it at the kitchen table, on our kids, on the people we live with. The question this week is why it stops at the front door, at exactly the point where other people's decisions start landing on our homes.
The question at the gate
On Sunday, November 8, 60 Minutes aired Ross Douthat's interview with the president. Douthat built one question carefully. He started at Charlie Kirk's memorial service, where Erika Kirk, his widow, spoke about forgiving your enemies, and the president followed her by saying he hated his opponents. Douthat said on camera he knew that was partly a joke. Then he asked anyway. You're at the gate. All you have to do to get in is forgive James Comey and Nancy Pelosi. Can you do it?
The answer came in three steps.
“Well, then I wouldn't be real, would I?”
“I love our country far more than I can love people and people like that.”
“Can I be honest? I probably cannot do that now because I do hate some of my enemies and I always will.”
President Trump, on 60 Minutes, November 8, 2026
Read what carries the weight in all three. It isn't the enemies. It's the honesty. Every step asks you to give him credit for telling you the truth. That's the technique, and you'll hear it from people in every party: when the thing itself won't pass, ask the room to grade you on how plainly you said it.
Here's the strongest case for him, and it's a real one. Most politicians would have said yes. They'd have performed forgiveness for the camera, gone home and kept the grudge. He didn't perform, and plenty of people respect him for that.
But at home, honesty is the floor. It isn't the grade. When someone you live with tells you the truth about a grudge they plan to keep forever, you thank them for the truth. Then you deal with the grudge.
With malice toward none
We've heard a president answer this question before. On March 4, 1865, Abraham Lincoln gave his second inaugural address. The war wasn't over. Lee wouldn't surrender for another five weeks. Lincoln had spent four years watching the country try to tear itself in half, and he had every reason a person could have to hate. He closed with the line most of us learned in school:
“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds.”
The comparison isn't fair in one way. Lincoln wrote his words for history, and Douthat put a president on the spot. But Lincoln never asked anyone to grade him on candor. He asked a country still at war to set its malice down.
The test one caller used
At the end of August, a listener called our line about Michael Cohen, the president's former lawyer, and what she sees as his latest change of sides. I'm not going to argue the Cohen story. I want the test she used.
“I don't care whether you're wearing a red hat or appearing on the progressive media. I care whether you have principles when having principles costs you something.”
“Changing teams isn't the same thing as changing character. And changing enemies isn't the same thing as developing morals.”
A caller to The People's Hotline, on changing sides
She refused to let the hat decide it, alone, into a voicemail. The man who prayed in his car passed her test. His vote cost him something, and he paid again when he held it up to his faith.
Swap the name
Earlier in the broadcast, Douthat asked about World Liberty Financial, a cryptocurrency company tied to the president's family that, as Douthat put it, is partially owned by investors connected to the government of the United Arab Emirates. He asked why. The answer:
“Because I know nothing about it.”
Douthat ran a test you already use at home. Swap the name, and see if your answer changes. When your brother-in-law takes money from someone who wants something from the family, you have a word for it. When your own kid does it, you have a different word and a longer explanation.
There's a fair case here too. A minute later the president said his sons run the company, and that it's hard to tell them, “Don't do anything anymore for four years because I'm president.” Any parent hears that.
But not knowing is not a standard. It's the absence of one. At home, when the money carries your name, “I didn't know” is where the conversation starts. And run the test both ways. If your answer about the Biden family and your answer about this family come out different, the test didn't catch him. It caught you.
The answer that passed
Douthat also asked whether the deportation policy had gone too far. The president talked about the people it reached: a woman who worked at a hotel as a maid and a cleaner, a waitress, people with good jobs being taken out of the country.
“It's tough. It's a tough thing.”
That one passes. He said a policy of his own went too far, he named who it landed on, and he called it tough. If I'm going to run the standard, I have to run it here too, and here he met it.
So hold the two answers side by side. With the hotel worker, he could see a person, and he moved. With his enemies, he saw a category, very bad people, and he didn't move at all. That isn't only a point about him. The standard holds when we can see a face. It slides when we can't.
What the phone line already knew
Of the 3,343 calls to The People's Hotline we've been able to read since it opened in June, 30 percent came in troubled: worried, not angry. In a random sample of 239 comments from the network's YouTube channel, it was 17 percent.
People call to worry. They comment to joke or to swing. Same audience, a different standard for what they'll show, depending on who's watching.
The frame I have to watch
I came into this wanting the test to catch one man, and it doesn't stop there. Most of you already know what you think of this president. It would be easy for me to run this test in one direction and call it analysis. That version would probably do better here. It would also make me a hypocrite on the exact point I'm making.
And some of you read that answer about his enemies and felt something close to satisfaction. Sit with that for a second. Douthat's question had no party in it.
Swap the name in the last story that made you angry. What changes in your answer, and why?
Who in your house would you never let get away with what you let a politician get away with?
When someone tells you the truth about a grudge, what do you do with the grudge?
Who in public life have you already decided you'll never forgive?
Douthat asked a president whether, at the very end, he could forgive the people he hates. Would you pass his question? Tell me in the comments.
A note on limits: The People's Hotline is a voicemail line that opened in June. A filter blocks more than a quarter of the calls before anyone reads them, 1,327 of 4,794 so far, and it probably blocks the angriest first. The comment figure comes from a hand-labeled sample through early September, not a count of every comment. It's the room that called. It isn't the country.
Meet your host
I’ve written for Forbes and Entrepreneur, and I serve as Editor-at-Large at Fair Observer. For nearly two decades, I was a guest lecturer on Storytelling in Business at Vanderbilt’s Owen Graduate School of Management. You’ll find more of my work at drrodberger.com.
Here, my job is narrower. The callers can take a side. I don't. I go looking for where we've seen this before, and I bring back the strongest case each side can make.
Help Me Understand, the podcast
Help Me Understand is my podcast on The Dangerous Ones Network. Each episode takes the stories from the news that make no sense to an ordinary person and asks the question we should be asking and aren't.
Latest episode: The Standard at Home. The 60 Minutes interview, held to the standard we use at our own kitchen tables: forgiveness, a family business and a policy the president said went too far.
Recent episodes: Not Their Money, Their Power with Marshall Herskovitz, Who Stayed Home, The Weeks In Between, The Three-Point Plan and Persuasion Over Division with Marshall Herskovitz, and Calling the Bluff.
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Most of us live inside stories we never chose. Someone handed them to us, and we kept telling them.
The Narrative Edge: Authentic Storytelling That Meets the Moment (Wiley) is my book about learning to see those stories: how a story gets built, whose interests it serves, and what it asks you to do. Help Me Understand brings the same habit to the news.
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Good reading. My mom was about 85 when she told me "there are no answers, only questions". So here again, I agree with her. What the what the depends on who the.
The president who is occupier and placeholder as #47, is a long time believer in the school of thought of one Norman Vincent Peale and believes in self first, self actualization, self consciousness to attain everything in life that defines your self importance to yourself and everybody else in the entire world is nothing more than a very distant laggard and loser. That he hath attained high office is nothing to the rest of us until he acts in a way that can directly affect us personally.
We don't ever have to ascribe to his whims or fantastical visions.
We can certainly choose to ignore him. In a few years there might be another election. He may or maybe not be in contention for another four years of office holding, but he will be older. We all will.
Anyone who gets so hung up about voting and has to go praying in his car after casting a vote for someone else other than who he was expected to vote for needs to take a moment and ask themselves why they feel this way and only for gathering enough information about that certain realization that comes with interjecting your life into someone else's... to get resolution for being too hung up in the first place. It's just a vote. That if you are praying after voting shows concern for your humanity but if you're voting for someone who's showing strong signs of instability or has a long history of not such good character what drove you to ever consider voting for them to begin with? If you're praying after the fact, then you're either relieved that you did or you didn't based on the before attained information to cast an educated vote and nothing more. Don't think twice, it's alright Since I don't generally pray about anything you can disregard my comments. I'm nobody. I never voted for #47. I have standards. Just not like his. Your vote cannot pray away his or anybody else's sins. Prayer seems to be a thought clearing mechanism. Some people seem to use it to help them vote. Someday, they're will be a ChatBot for that. Until then... Pray all you want. I'll just use factually based evidence and interpretive analysis to make determinations for voting. There is no religious tests for office, per the Constitution. Praying is optional. Whatever is best for the individual.